Sammelbestellung?!

DerVietnamese · Anmeldedatum: 30.11.2002 Beiträge: 50 Wohnort: Rostock

hi,

besteht hier interesse an einer sammelbestellung von silymarin und r+ala? bei genügendem interesse, würde ich mich bereit erklären die sache in die hand zu nehmen. folgende produkte sind es:

r+ala

silymarin

beides in kombi miteinander ist gut als leberschutz.
in ami-foren wird von 1g gaben von silymarin pro tag geredet. r+ala ist die isomer form von ala. 100mg r+ala entsprechen 300mg ala. ala wird für die nährstoffverwertung und als antioxidant eingesetzt. ist ziemlich beliebt in bb-kreisen. man sollte mind. 500mg r+ala pro tag zu sich nehmen um eine positive wirkung erzielen zu können. allg. regel lautet 100mg r+ala pro 30-50g kohlenhydrate.

chao,

p.s.: habe es schon in 2 anderen foren angeboten. einige user können es bestätigen. im moment liegen wir bei 15xsilymarin und 15xr+ala.

zwischeninfo von discountsupplements

R+ALA

1 tub: £29.99 each (€43.56)

15 tubs: £25.99 each (€37.75)

40 tubs: £22.50 each (€ 32.68)

Milk Thistle

1 tub: £24.99 each (€ 36.30)

15 tubs: £19.99 each (€ 29.04)

40 tubs: £16.50 each (€ 23.97)

DerVietnamese · Anmeldedatum: 30.11.2002 Beiträge: 50 Wohnort: Rostock

Alpha Lipoic Acid (ALA) for Physique Conscious Athletes (Part 1)
ALA or Alpha Lipoic Acid is actually a racemic mix of two different isomers, R+ALA, and S-ALA. R+ALA is a naturally occurring form of ALA which can be found in very small quantities in the body and in the foods we eat, whereas S-ALA is a synthetic version created during the manufacturing process. Most ALA preparations that you can buy on the market (unless stated otherwise) are a 50/50 mix of these two isomers.

ALA is somewhat of a universal Supplement for those training to improve their physiques as it has many roles which suit a variety of different goals. Here are the main uses:

- As a preventative or restorative aid for the liver
- As a dieting aid to increase fat loss
- As a bulking aid to decrease fat accumulation

ALA as a preventative or restorative aid for the liver:
ALA is known (amongst other things) as a natural antioxidant, and its use is fairly widespread in Europe due to its ability to maintain and restore liver health. So far ALA has been used for the treatment of radiation poisoning, mushroom poisoning (2), alcoholic hepatitis (3), diabetes related neuropathy and elevated liver enzymes.

This is extremely useful for any athlete whose liver is being stressed due to any number of factors. In these cases a dosage of 1g racemic ALA or 500mg R+ALA per day taken in split dosages immediately before meals (preferably carbohydrate containing) would be enough to help ward off any damage that could be done, or repair any damage that has already been done to the liver.

If an athlete would like to 'supercharge' their liver protection they can use the following combination:

Racemic Alpha Lipoic Acid - 1g per day or R+ Alpha Lipoic Acid - 500mg per day
Silymarin (Milk Thistle) - 400mg per day
Selenium - 800mcg per day

This combination was actually used in patients with cirrhosis, portal hypertension and oesophageal varices secondary to chronic hepatitis C infection, which are all extremely bad conditions for the liver. This combination managed to stave off the approaching requirement for liver transplant surgery (1).

In Part 2 , I'll go over ALA's uses in both dieting and bulking for accelerating fat loss, or minimising fat gain.

References:
1. A conservative triple antioxidant approach to the treatment of hepatitis C. Combination of alpha lipoic acid (thioctic acid), silymarin, and selenium: three case histories. Berkson BM.
2. Thioctic acid in treatment of hepatotoxic mushroom (Phalloides) poisoning. Berkson BM.
3. New treatments for hepatitis B and C [antigen-specific transfer for A, B & C (chisolm biologicals) and thymate]. Konlee M.

DerVietnamese · Anmeldedatum: 30.11.2002 Beiträge: 50 Wohnort: Rostock

Conscious Athletes (Part 2)
In Part 1 I wrote about ALA's liver protection benefits. In Part 2 I'll go on to explain how it can be used in both dieting and bulking to create a more favourable muscle retention/fat loss ratio when dieting, and a more favourable muscle gain/fat gain ratio when bulking.

ALA is known for many beneficial effects regarding crucial factors in lipid metabolism. It is known to lower blood glucose (1), and can reduce Insulin resistance (2) in those with less than perfect Insulin management capabilities, which can especially be brought on by low caloric intake (3).

A good intake of ALA would be 3000mg per day, spread over 6 meals. You would take 500mg immediately before eating each meal. Your caloric intake must be below maintenance for best effects.

A good intake of R+ALA would be 1000mg per day, spread over 6 meals. You would take 100mg-200mg immediately before eating each meal. Your caloric intake must be below maintenance for best effects.

People have found that with this regimen, they could actually eat carbs, yet still enter ketosis! This is due to lowered blood glucose with the addition of ALA.

As well as ALA's effects on lipid metabolism above, we need to understand that during a traditional bulking period, carbs, and therefore Insulin levels, are high for the entire day, creating a high Insulin environment not dissimilar to Insulin resistance, which we know can be helped with ALA (3). As well as this ALA also has the ability to increase the amount of GLUT4 transporters on the outside of the muscle cells (4). This allows more nutrients to be stored in muscle cells as opposed to fat cells, the net result being more muscle, less fat!

Once again an excellent regimen to reap these benefits with ALA would be 3000mg per day, spread over 6 meals. You would take 500mg immediately before eating each meal. Your caloric intake must be above maintenance for the desired effects.

The equivalent intake of R+ALA would be 1000mg per day, spread over 6 meals. You would take 100mg-200mg immediately before eating each meal. Your caloric intake must once again be above maintenance for the desired effects.

To put a figure on how much ALA would affect your body composition on a bulking period here is an example: If a person gains 10lbs of muscle and 10lbs of fat usually in a bulking cycle without ALA. They are likely to gain around 14lbs of muscle and 6lbs fat if they would have taken ALA.

Alternatively one could figure out there own ALA needs based on the amount of carbs they consume per meal. For racemic ALA you should use 500mg per 50g of carbs, for R+ALA you should use 100mg per 30-40g of carbs.

References:
1. Natural products used for diabetes. Shapiro K, Gong WC.
2. Prevention of hypertension, insulin resistance, and oxidative stress by alpha-lipoic acid. El Midaoui A, de Champlain J.
3. Effects of 3 days of 'postoperative' low caloric feeding with or without bed rest on Insulin sensitivity in healthy subjects. Svanfeldt M, Thorell A, Brismar K, Nygren J, Ljungqvist O.
4. Lipoic acid reduces glycaemia and increases muscle GLUT4 content in streptozotocin-diabetic rats. Khamaisi M, Potashnik R, Tirosh A, Demshchak E, Rudich A, Tritschler H, Wessel K, Bashan N.

arena · Verfasst am: 06.10.04 | 00:02 Titel:

wofür ist silymarin denn gut?
wie sieht es mit zoll aus?

Big Evil · Verfasst am: 06.10.04 | 00:04 Titel:

Silymarin ist gut für die Leber.

Das Problem bei ALA ist, dass nicht nur vermehrt Nährstoffe in die Muskulatur gelangen, sondern ebenso in das Fettgewebe. Als Antioxidant ist ALA allerdings unschlagbar.

DerVietnamese · Anmeldedatum: 30.11.2002 Beiträge: 50 Wohnort: Rostock

hi arena,

der zoll wird kein problem sein. die dinger kann man ja auch ohne rezept in der apotheke bekommen. wenn genug zusammen kommt, wird es gesplittet vom händler verschickt, damit der zoll nicht auf ideen kommt und bei den großen mengen steuern verlangt. ;)

chao,

arena · Verfasst am: 06.10.04 | 00:29 Titel:

das letzte meinte ich ja
und ZMA-Power.html" target="_blank">Zink?habt ihr auch zink?

DerVietnamese · Anmeldedatum: 30.11.2002 Beiträge: 50 Wohnort: Rostock

hi,

zink haben wir nicht. silymarin bekommst du in der deutschen apotheke unter dem namen legalon in den dosierungen 70mg und 140mg. hier mal eine auszug aus der roten liste.

Legalon® 70 Protect/-140

48.A.1. Hepatika (Madaus)
Legalon® 70 Protect/-140 Kapseln Ap Fachinfo-Service
Zus.: 1 Kps. enth.: Trockenextrakt aus Mariendistelfrüchten (36-44:1) 86,5-93,3 mg/173-186,7 mg (entspr. 70 mg/140 mg Silymarin, ber. als Silibinin) - Auszugsmittel: Ethylacetat >96,7%.
weit. Bestandteile: Polysorbat 80, Povidon, D-Mannitol, Natriumcarboxymethylstärke, Magnesiumstearat, Farbstoffe E 171, E 172, Gelatine, Natriumdodecylsulfat.

Anw.: Toxische Leberschäden; Adjuvans bei chronisch-entzündlichen Lebererkrankungen und Leberzirrhose.
Nebenw.: Selten wird eine leicht laxierende Wirk. beobachtet.
Dos.: Kps. 70 Protect: Zu Beginn der Behandl. 3mal tgl. 2 Kps., als Erhaltungsdos. 3mal tgl. 1 Kps. Kps. 140: Zu Beginn der Behandl. 3mal tgl. 1 Kps., als Erhaltungsdos. 2mal tgl. 1 Kps. unzerkaut mit etwas Flüssigkeit vor dem Essen.

100 Kps. (N3) Legalon 70 Protect
(FB - ) 38,63
60 Kps. (N2) Legalon 140
(FB - ) 46,45
100 Kps. (N3) Legalon 140
(FB - ) 64,09

DerVietnamese · Anmeldedatum: 30.11.2002 Beiträge: 50 Wohnort: Rostock

langsam läuft es. wenn wir über 40 oder mehr kommen wird es noch billiger.

zwischenbilanz:

19x r+ala
17x silymarin

nochmal für alle eine info. da ich auch nur armer student bin, kann ich unmöglich für euch auslegen. bezahlt wird also per vorauskasse. nach abschluß der sammelaktion kriegt ihr per pn meine kontodaten. nachdem ich die ware bekomme, werde ich sie via dpd oder dhl an euch schicken. bei dpd müsst ihr mit 4,49 euro versand rechnen. dazu kommt noch die verpackung. da weiss ich noch nicht wieviel es kosten wird. kommt ja auch darauf an wieviel dosen ihr kriegt. also wer nicht per vorauskasse will, sollte bitte jetzt abspringen damit wir wissen wieviel es wird.